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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tap water ...with a twist.
Posted By: el D 15/05/08 12:31 Source ID: 0297d529-d1c3bb90
In Reply To: Re: Re: Re: Tap water ...with a twist. 15/05/08 05:03
 | Is that the best you can do? Call someone a sponger when it's pointed out 1. People PAY to get in to a lesson or just to dance and 2. The soft drinks are vastly over priced and unless they are out of a bottle/can are often flat, in a glass half full of ice. And there we have it folks, drinking water having gotten hot and sweaty on the dance floor makes you a risk to salsa promoters'/teachers' businesses! "He can ban you for a number of legitimate reasons especially if he considers your selfish attitude may damage/ disrupt his business and inconvenience his regular clientele! He will have a perfect legal right to do that." What's the matter? Your local salsa cash-cow running dry is she or do you just want to be the salsa anti-water nazi whose in fear of his business being threatened by militant h20 guzzling, fee-paying to get in, liquid freeloaders? Please tell me which event you run so I can attend - I'll be the guy with the camelback on, as I'd hate to dirty a glass that I haven't bought a drink in and I'll be with the nice lady from HMCR who'll be auditing you in the future sunshine. |  |
Hey Anon,
You won't be the guy with anything on your back in the venue, because you won't be allowed in with your anti-social attitudes! Although you've listened to the clear logical economic argument - which has been patiently put to you, there seems to be a problem with your ability to grasp that logic. It ain’t rocket science but it is irrefutable!
That you don’t have an argument, is evidenced by the fact that you haven’t presented one other than to keep bleating out I want, I want, I want. You don’t seem to be able to grasp either, that I have a perfect right to run a business and make a fair and reasonable profit making a living from doing so! – Not that my running a Salsa business and making living has anything to do with the tap water debate as they are two separate issues, another thing you seem incapable of grasping.
I also have a perfect legal right protect my business, which I will do; although unlike you and your selfish interests, I am also trying to protect the right of everyone not to be inconvenienced by people like you.
Are you saying that no one has a right to run a viable business, whether a venue owner, Salsa promoter or even yourself? Are you a full blooded communist? Because if not, your making no sense at all!
Try posting a properly thought out and coherent argument as to why you shouldn’t (like the majority of people at a Salsa event) contribute toward the space in which you wish to dance! You will struggle with that one, because any fair minded person with a degree of intelligence will know and understand that we all have to pay for the goods and services we receive. It forms the basis of a contract between two parties – You pay, and they deliver the advertised goods/ services – and that is the norm in this country and all other societies on the face of the planet.
Alternatively you could put forward the argument as to why you think you are special! And perhaps explain to everyone why you believe that your fellow dancers – those who understand the clear and logical economic argument and who are paying for their drinks at the bar - should subsidise you!
There’s the challenge! … Let’s see if you can conjure up a proper argument (it’ll be the first) instead of slinging insults.
To answer your incorrect assertions:
1. Your Assertion … People PAY to get in to a lesson or just to dance
My answer …Correct they do, but they also dance in a space provided by the venue owner which they also need to pay for - this is cost covered by paying for drinks at the bar … if you don’t buy drinks £5 - £10 worth you have not paid for the space in which you dance
2. Your Assertion … The soft drinks are vastly over priced and unless they are out of a bottle/can are often flat, in a glass half full of ice.
My answer …The drinks are more expensive than in, for example a super market, because they also include the payment for the provision of the venue, bar staff, doorman, venue staff, rates, lease, water rates, gas, electricity, maintenance of the building, lighting system, sound system vat, tax … I won’t go on! You may have had a bad experience with one or two flat drinks which you can complain about and get replaced. And I’m sure anyway that it is not true in every case of buying them and as for ice you can insist on none or a small amount by law!
3. Your Assertion … And there we have it folks, drinking water having gotten hot and sweaty on the dance floor makes you a risk to salsa promoters'/teachers' businesses!
My answer … drinking water doesn’t risk the promoters business! Not paying for that water is what risks the promoters business and risks inconveniencing your fellow dancers when the promoter is asked to move on
My Question … Do you take pleasure in the fact of a promoter losing his business? If so why?
Will you answer this question honestly and properly? I somehow doubt it!
4. Your Assertion/ question … Your local salsa cash-cow running dry is she or do you just want to be the salsa anti-water nazi whose in fear of his business being threatened by militant h20 guzzling, fee-paying to get in, liquid freeloaders?
My answer … It’s not a cash cow, it is a legitimate business that provides – evidenced by the fact that it has been successful for fifteen years - a service to the Salsa industry and does so at a fair and reasonable price to those who use it (call it VFM). It is not running dry but it isn’t going to make me a millionaire and the fact that because of people like you we – that’s me and your fellow dancers – are often moved on by venue owners who don’t feel that Salsa is viable for them. Make it more expensive than it should be to run!
I’m not an anti-water Nazi as you put it … but I am an anti-freeloader! So unless you can explain your anti social behavior or give a reason why you should be special and exempt from paying your way or actually present a clear and logical economic argument as to why I’ve got it wrong … You’d best clear off cause you’re not welcome … at least in our venue! Can you grasp that bit?
By the way … I’ve been running a Salsa business for around fifteen years; not as a jolly, but on a full time basis and unlike you I believe in paying my way and so do present properly audited accounts to the nice lady from HMCR – I think I would have been rumbled by now if I didn’t, don’t you? So that is where you are wrong my friend … yet again.
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